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I am really sorry Yves, I didn't want to criticize you in any way. You did the right move: You startet us get moving by getting the poll out - the way you did it made it already clear how the poll should look like. It was the first iteration and this way you did almost all the work here. Chuck and me only modified it to a more common format.
Stating the opinions here again in a more compact format is good - it finally gives us an overview. One page that shows us how everybody thinks. Then your approach comes next.
I am learning by doing here, and by trapping into all the pitfalls, like inadvertently irritating people. I wish we could have a chairman like Ward Cunningham, or someone that has alot more experience with moderating groups like Eugene Kim.
Yves, please accept my apologies.
-- [[ChristophSauer]], 2007-Apr-12
Accepted, thanks.
-- [[YvesPiguet]], 2007-Apr-12
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Moved List nesting level poll to discussion... The conversation below is the archived conversation from the poll itself:
== List nesting level
Why should we discuss that here? Has anyone written a proposal about it? Am I missing something here? If not, we should not vote about this point yet. It's a waste of time. I would like to remove this. Axel, please don't take it personal.
-- [[ChristophSauer]].
Please feel free to remove it, I really do not want to cause trouble ;-) !
I was just curious if I really was the only one who liked this idea (my proposal is at ListMarkupAlternatives). You could also leave it in and add a note that this is for information purposes only (=will have no effect on the Creole spec).
I felt that 0.6 would maybe be the last time that lists changed, so I did not want to miss that opportunity.
-- [[Axel Rauschmayer]]
Thanks Axel, I see. I like the Idea, but we have to come to an end. Maybe in the markup language that evolves from Creole, but Creole will not be perfect, because of its [[Goals]]. You still can make a proposal to preserve the Idea, but I personally will reject it ;).
-- [[Christoph Sauer]],
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== Escaping Links ==
If a wiki engine extends Creole with CamelCaseLinks, then it should also extend it with a way of escaping them -- there is no point for including it in the standard if Creole doesn't have CamelCaseLinks in standard. Then again, we could go for a recommendation, in a similar way the blog-like newlines are recommended.
I didn't finish the [[NoWiki Markup Comparison]] yet, but the results so far are rather unambiguous: the exclamation point added in front of a WikiWord is the most popular, if not the only common, markup for escaping links. Replacing it with a tilde would only create confusion and force the mixed-mode engines to support **both** markups, as the existing escaped links won't just disappear, and people used to them will want them preserved.
If Creole is going to be a common wiki markup, then make it use //common wiki markup//, and don't invent new mechanisms.
-- [[Radomir Dopieralski]], 2007-Apr-04
But the exclamation point is also the second frequent markup for headings. If Creole is going to be a common markup, then make it [[collision free]], don't forget about other uses of markup characters.
-- [[Christoph Sauer]], 2007-Apr.04
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== Make Escape Character Core
ChristophSauer:I changed my mind on the escape character, I first wrote
// weakly there should be unified way for parser developers that want to simplify escaping, but it should be optional, since I agree that escaping is hard to understand for endusers. Also it's not Creoles goal to add new markup, that was not there in other engines. Therefore I opt for escape as an addition - a suggestion to solve a certain problem in an more elegant way than using nowiki.//
But if I am reading through the spec and looking at Martin Junghans question recently, then I feel we are not giving a clear answer in the core spec.
Martin Junghans wrote:
//If I want to print two bold asterisk in the wiki page, I cannot write "** ** **", because the second asterisk-pair is already the closing tag? So it is intended to use the next (not escaped) tag to close the bold section?//
So I changed my mind, Escape character should be in the core. Without the escape character (be it \ or ~) I feel that the spec is not "round" - we are not giving answers to obvious questions.
-- [[ChristophSauer]], 2007-04-24
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12 24-Apr-2007 20:23 8.411 kB ChristophSauer to previous changed my mind, escape character should be core.
11 16-Apr-2007 11:59 7.252 kB ChristophSauer to previous | to last common wiki markup vs. collision free
10 16-Apr-2007 01:20 7.008 kB RadomirDopieralski to previous | to last escaping links
9 16-Apr-2007 01:19 7.008 kB 85.221.141.46 to previous | to last escaping WikiLinks
8 15-Apr-2007 10:25 6.048 kB ChristophSauer to previous | to last moved list nesting level to here, thanks axel.
7 12-Apr-2007 10:06 4.84 kB YvesPiguet to previous | to last Accepted
6 12-Apr-2007 09:59 4.785 kB ChristophSauer to previous | to last apologies Yves
5 12-Apr-2007 09:24 3.938 kB YvesPiguet to previous | to last
4 11-Apr-2007 23:56 2.069 kB RadomirDopieralski to previous | to last comment conflicts with the vote?
3 11-Apr-2007 17:15 1.876 kB 129.187.228.135 to previous | to last
2 11-Apr-2007 15:26 1.707 kB ChristophSauer to previous | to last it is much cleaner now
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