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What happened here? Why has all previous content (especially some options we were to vote on) been removed? I really liked the previous format.

-- Axel Rauschmayer 2007-04-11

Take a look at the basic options we have (just for lists):

  1. List markup character (- or *)
  2. Space required after character (Y or N)?
  3. Space allowed before (Y or N)?
  4. Multiple Indention (Y or N)?
  5. Mix markup character with # (Y or N)?

Every point above generates two options which could be combined to 2^5 = 32 choices to formulate. Yves put only a small amount of those choices generated out of the basic options on for voting and it was not clear if he thought of all the choices.

Take a look at the Creole 0.6 Poll Archive again, for example the old Choice D:

One or more stars with leading spaces ignored, followed by at least one space (can be mixed with #).

It combines option 4(Y) + 3(N) + 2(Y) + 1(*) + 5(Y). If we conduct polls like this in a proper way we would have to make 32 questions to choose from...

It is much cleaner now. Through reducing the questions to the basic options we can reduce the exponent for the combinations. For example this poll already does not include 3, 4, and 5 since they are not in question by any proposal made so far. Except suggestions on Talk pages which doesn't count until someone formulates a clean proposal out of it.

With this new poll we only have 4 choices to decide between in the end. You can combine them yourself. It's the only way to go.

Besides this, the style of voting Chuck choose is well known from Wikipedia.

-- ChristophSauer 2007-April-10

You are right. After the initial shock wore off ("where is my content?"), I now understand the new format and will contribute.

-- Axel Rauschmayer, 2007-04-11

Alex, I think that your comment about requiring a space after bullets is conflicting with where you put it. But then maybe I just misundertood it.

-- Radomir Dopieralski, 2007-Apr-11

First I didn't want to react to the poll switch, but nevertheless I'd like to react to some of the comments above.

If I gave only a few options, it isn't because I was thoughtless as Christoph assumes, it was to pick only those which made sense and which seemed to be supported by some people. The choice wasn't closed, because I wrote explicitly that comments could be added, and I gave some time for reactions before starting the poll.

Having few options had two goals:

  • clear results which let us unblock the situation and go forward, without introducing endless discussions and subjective interpretations;
  • discarding possibilities which nobody wants.

To illustrate the second point, it's like choosing the background and forground color between black and white. I'd propose to choose between black on white or white on black; the current poll is like choosing independtly the foreground and background color, with the risk of some votes for black foreground, some for black background, and none (or weak ones) for white background or foreground. What do we do with the result (black on black)?

So the current poll will bring many opinions, most of them already expressed, which will have to be interpreted. It's started already. What a loss of time and energy! Since I've stated my opinion many times, including with the first poll, I won't bother to answer.

Was it done on purpose? I guess so. Saying first that my attempt was overly complicated (what, six possible answers for a single question? yes or no is enough!), then thoughtlessly restrictive (we need 32 different results, no less), is funny, isn't it?

What we're missing is a chairman whose authority and fairness everyone trust. Informal discussions of wiki show their limits.

PS: if I look slightly irritated, it's probably because I am.

-- YvesPiguet, 2007-Apr-12

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