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Why?
-- ChuckSmith, 2007-Feb-07
Yes, Radomir, that's the idea. To be extensible Creole should only specify which markup is expected to be parsed, omitting the rest.
In headings, we have:
"No markup is parsed within headings."
I think we agree that, in this case, parsing is not actually prohibited, but users should not rely on it. Creole specs just don't require or suppose it.
If my understanding is correct, we should use some other form to express this. Probably we should remove these constraints altogether and, instead, explicitly say which elements //must// be allowed inside which other elements (as a minimum).
Users could and should rely on this minimum when they don't know a particular wiki dialect. Engines (languages) can extend freely.
-- MicheleTomaiuolo, 2007-02-07
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Regarding **Links**: I have three points
1. Can Wiki page names inside the brackets be written with spaces being stripped (as it works in this wiki here), is this prohibitied, or is this left to the engine?
2. The sequence of display text and page name (page name coming first) makes text difficult to read, has this been discussed? Perhaps it should be stated explicitly, see [[Link Extensibility Proposal]]
3.Regarding **Placeholder**: Please elaborate, I don't understand.
-- [[GregorHagedorn]] - 2007-02-26
1. This is left to the engine\\
2. see [[AlternateLinkSyntaxProposal]]\\
3. see [[Prototype]]\\
-- ChristophSauer, 2007-02-26
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I'm currently implementing a wiki parser and have made the following observations:
* With the current bold markup, you cannot start a line with bold text (it will be interpreted as a bullet). This is not uncommon and adding a space before to escape feels unnecessarily clumsy. I'm not sure what a good solution would be, here. I agree with the "should not be confused with underline" argument against double underscores. In plain text, I often use hyphens for unordered lists, but several hyphens in a row feel strange, too.
* The double slashes still are visual triggers for URIs for me. What were the arguments against double tilde (squiggly underlines are often used to indicate italics in handwriting)? They should be included in http://wikicreole.org/wiki/BoldAndItalicsReasoning
* Apart from that, Creole mixes really well with Latex syntax which I allow for advanced tasks and transform to internally.
-- AxelRauschmayer, 2007-02-27
Axel, you are not the only one who has trouble with this. You will find an answer to your question in the [[Hyphen List Markup Proposal]]. Please support this proposal if you think that it will solve your issues by leaving a note in the [[[[Talk.Hyphen List Markup Proposal|discussion]] - raise your voice!. For the italics: I originally was on your side because I thought tilde would fit better, but tilde is hard to type and used already in other contexts - not to many people liked it.
-- ChristophSauer, 2007-02-27
Thanks for that pointer! I've added a comment. I can live with the double-slash italics notation. Could you add anti-tilde arguments to [[http://wikicreole.org/wiki/BoldAndItalicsReasoning]]? "Hard to type" does not feel like too much of a problem to me, as italics is not too common. Plus, users who edit wiki markup tend to be technical and thus use the tilde for their home directories on their unices, anyway. ;-)
Edit: Has anyone considered that two double slashes are legal anywhere in a URI (and not just after a colon)?
-- AxelRauschmayer, 2007-02-28
Double slashes in URI are legal but semantically void -- at least as far as I understand the RFC.
You can find a lot more reasoning about tilde and italics on [[ChangeItalicsMarkupProposal]] and the related talk page.
-- [[RadomirDopieralski]], 2007-02-28
Today I learned from a Russion colleague that pipe '|' is not available on Russian keyboard layout. Maybe another table syntax character would be great. He suggested to use '::'. -- [[MaxVölkel]], 2007-02-28
Russian [[Keyboards]] lack most of the useful punctuation characters. Fortunately many wikis provide a CSV table plugin.
-- [[Radomir Dopieralski]], 2007-Mar-01
From what I can see on [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keyboard_layout#Russian]], it //should// have the pipe character.
It misses square, angular and curly brackets, plus other characters used in Creole, though.
-- [[Michele tomaiuolo]], 2007-03-01
Following the links from that wikipedia article reveals that there are several russian layouts: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/PaulGor/kbd_e.htm
-- [[Radomir Dopieralski]], 2007-Mar-01
Version Date Modified Size Author Changes ... Change note
17 01-Mar-2007 12:13 5.081 kB RadomirDopieralski to previous several layouts
16 01-Mar-2007 07:34 4.88 kB MicheleTomaiuolo to previous | to last pipe on russian kb
15 01-Mar-2007 00:56 4.625 kB 195.225.49.22 to previous | to last CSV?
14 28-Feb-2007 23:55 4.457 kB 84.163.100.123 to previous | to last
13 28-Feb-2007 14:51 4.246 kB RadomirDopieralski to previous | to last // in url don't mean anything, more information about tilde
12 28-Feb-2007 14:29 3.981 kB Axel Rauschmayer to previous | to last
11 28-Feb-2007 14:27 3.868 kB Axel Rauschmayer to previous | to last
10 28-Feb-2007 08:54 3.413 kB ChristophSauer to previous | to last spelling, respond to Axel
9 28-Feb-2007 08:53 3.414 kB ChristophSauer to previous | to last respond to AxelRauschmayer
8 27-Feb-2007 23:30 2.888 kB 84.150.42.215 to previous | to last
7 26-Feb-2007 20:06 1.941 kB 77.128.31.184 to previous | to last
6 26-Feb-2007 08:49 1.921 kB ChristophSauer to previous | to last respond to anonymous
5 25-Feb-2007 21:30 1.754 kB 77.128.12.229 to previous | to last
4 07-Feb-2007 11:05 1.262 kB MicheleTomaiuolo to previous | to last extensible
3 07-Feb-2007 10:34 0.489 kB ChuckSmith to previous | to last why?
2 06-Feb-2007 19:20 0.451 kB RadomirDopieralski to previous | to last consistency
1 06-Feb-2007 18:47 0.323 kB MicheleTomaiuolo to last extensible
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