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* IMHO, there should be a history of the rationale for each decision (pros and cons). This would avoid many repetitive discussions.
* As wiki syntax is going to be for the technically inclinded in the long run (with WYSIWYG editors becoming more popular for wikis all the time), I wonder why linebreaks are now the default, as opposed to explicit line breaks like in HTML and LaTeX. For my next wiki, I want to mix LaTeX and Creole so (in my case) this convention is quite unfortunate.
* One thing that I think transcends taste (like, admittedly, in the last item) is "//" for italics. Why make parsing even more complicated and have italics clash with URIs? Why not use double tilde "{{{ ~~ }}}" (squiggly lines are used for marking up italics in handwriting)? What about https: and mailto: URIs? At the very least, "://" should be exempt from being interpreted as italics (and not just "http://" and "ftp://".
* Could you further explain what the place holder {{{ {[x]} }}} is about?
Thanks for the good work, it is really good to have a standard such as Creole.
-- [AxelRauschmayer], 2006-10-21
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# Using {{{ {{..}} }}} for pre is not collision free - {{{ {{..}} }}} is used by MediaWiki for templates. This is a huge collision - it would prevent Creole co-existing with MediaWiki, probably the most popular wiki of them all. (Being collsion free is the number one goal.)
# Using {{{ {{..}} }}} for pre is not collision free - {{{ {{..}} }}} is used by MediaWiki for templates. This is a huge collision - it would prevent Creole co-existing with MediaWiki, probably the most popular wiki of them all. (Being collsion free is the number one goal.)
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Changing the placeholder syntax back to Creole 0.1 was just forgotten. Sorry about that.
--ChuckSmith
I read: "Any markup within a link will not be parsed".
Is it necessary to specify this? I would say this is in contrast with the ExtensibleByOmission goal. Moreover in [Images] there are examples of images inside links, which is a special case of markup inside links. Thanks.
-- 2006-11-06, MicheleTomaiuolo
Please give a bit more notice before declaring something final. On Nov 9 you stated that Creole 0.2 would be declared final on Nov 11. Two day's notice is hardly enough: it's only sufficient for people who read the site every day, and even for them it assumes they have time to comment on any given day.
-- [MartinBudden], 2006-11-13
Well, it was just a minor change, but you are right. We should agree on a [ReleasePolicy], but right now i don't have a clue how it could look like. Maybe you could post links to other release policies so that we could learn from them.
-- [ChristophSauer], 2006-11-14
Martin, when would you suggest be the final date before declaring Creole 0.2 final? It really is only a very minor change and has been on the site for a month now for comment.
--[ChuckSmith], 2006-11-14
I'm not asking for you to not declare Creole 0.2 final (after all, you are still accepting comments on 0.3), merely that in future you give more notice. I suggest 2 week's notice for a 0.x release and (at least) a month's notice before you declare Creole 1.0 final.
-- [MartinBudden], 2006-11-16
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!Errata
I found an error in the section "Bold, Italics, Links, Pre in Lists". The last list item in the Creole example contains preformatted markup which should render to {{{<tt>}}} in the recommended XHTML output but does not.
-- [OliverHorn], 2006-11-23
Thanks! I just corrected it.
-- [ChuckSmith], 2006-11-23
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I was wondering if there could be wiki creole syntax for underlining and striking text ? These can be very convenient to emphasize something in a text. I often see stroke text as a way to express some sort of "slip of the tongue". So, here is my suggestion, which feels quite straightforward to me, at least :
* underscore as {{{__my underscore text__}}}
* strike as {{{--my stroke text--}}}
If there is a discussion somewhere on this website about "why creole shouldn't have strike and underscore", sorry for the disturbance for I didn't find it.
-- [ThomasGirod], 2006-11-28
Thanks for your suggestion. We are in the process of gathering information and forming kind of GoodPractices for creating a wiki markup -- please add anything you find useful to this link language.
I'm not sure about everyday usefulness of a "subscript" markup, outside some very specific areas of science, which beg for their own markup extensions anyways.
As for strikeout markup, I'm of two minds. On the one hand, I often use those "^H" myself, as a kind of rhetoric figure or pun (by the way, why not use it as the markup? ;) ), on the other hand, it's really very rare -- remember that every feature added to WikiCreole makes it a little harder both to implement and inculcate for wiki developers and admins, and to learn for wiki users. Does it really give you such a great boos in expressiveness to justify that?
A separate issue is the choice of markup -- especially the possible conflicts with dashes and/or signature marks. But that's a minor problem, if we decide to include the "deleted" text, we can surely come up with markup for it.
The main question is: "Do we need it?"
-- [[RadomirDopieralski]], 2006-12-11
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