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For Creole 0.4 I'd like to bring out the issue of spaces after the bullets. The current (0.3) draft and previous specs have this ugly special case:
About unordered lists and bold: a line starting with ** (including optional whitespace before and afterwards), immediately following an unordered list element a line above, will be treated as a nested unordered list element. Otherwise it will be treated as the beginning of bold text. Also note that bold and/or italics cannot span lines in a list.
I think it's ugly and complicates the parser needlessly. Also, many wikis already have very similar list markup, just without this special case -- making them accept both Creole and native markup at the same time would require some sort of a hack (I can't even imagine it currently). One possible way of getting rid of that special case and still keeping list markup unambigous with bold markup is requiring a space after the bullet.
Advantages to NOT requiring space after bullet #
- no opportunity for mistakes
- since both space and no space are interpreted the same, the user doesn't need to remember to put the space
- compact text
- list items without the space after them take up less horizontal space in the text area
- long urls in lists may invoke a wrapping bug, leaving the bullet alone on a line -- with the line wrapped at the space immediately after the bullet
- less keystrokes are required to type list items
- it is faster to convert a collection of prargraphs into a list by just putting a single asterisk in front of every paragraph
- "smart" behavior
- the right decissions for users in most common cases
- users will be impressed with the system
- already exists
- this is the behavior defined for Creole so far
- this is implemented in some of the Creole parsers
Advantages to requiring space after bullet #
- looks better
- nice-looking interface means better emotional response of the users and perceived "friendliness"
- additional space provides for easy scanning of text, making it more readable
- because of technological deficiences of wikis, users need to find the place they wanted to edit in the raw text; spacing marks the structure of the document visually
- is simple
- the ambiguities with other markup are solved once and for all
- the rule is very simple to explain, making Creole easier to teach
- the rule can be easily observed by the users, making Creole easier to learn
- Creole is easier to design and maintain with less special cases
- is local
- the result of formatting depends only on the line's content itself, not on the context in which the line appears
- the text can be easily moved around, copied and pasted
- users don't need to scroll the text area to make sure what the formatting does
- the markup that worked before in one case will also work the same in other cases
- parsers can be tested and debugged more easily, as there is less interaction of different rules
- is traditional
- it is a well established tradition, coming from the era of typewriters, to put a space after the bullet; this tradition is carried over to text files on computers
- it is even older tradition in typography to put lead after (to the right of) punctuation characters like periods, colons, dashes or bullets
- the space appears there anyways when rendered using practically any text rendering mechanism popular in wikis -- be it HTML, XHTML, docbook, LaTeX or texinfo.
- is user friendly
- users make less mistakes with simple rules
- allows to use single asterisks for bold, even when it is not parsed
- introducing additional markup is easier, without a risk of introducing new conflicts and ambiguities
- users don't need to do additional formatting of other's text to make it readable and easy to edit
- removes unnatural restrictions from other markup -- emphasis can span lines, list items can consist of multiple lines
Also see: EnginesUsingAsterisksForListsAndBold
Visual comparsion #
Without the space #
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With the space #
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