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== Remaining Problems Identified in Discussions
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[#1] For reference, [[RadomirDopieralski]] wrote the following on [[Talk.Require Space After Bullet Proposal]] on 2007-02-09: [[BulletListOnWikipediaResearch]]
=== Real users are breaking the line hard.
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A hard line break is a line break that is saved explicitly in the text by putting in a linebreak character, that is not visible to human readers, but will be used by parsers. A human user inserts this invisible character when he hits return.
The [[ListMarkupLinebreakArgument]] shows that there remains the issue that users might do hard linebreaks before hyphens. This is not a problem special to list markup with hypens, this also affects all other markup characters that indicate special meaning at the beginning of a line.
{{{
**START** I think these are realistic examples
- either using simple hyphens as here - or the
-- much nicer -- n/m-dash way of writing.
And the minus sign (like
-1) even must be placed there. Finally, whereas
in English only trailing hyphen-constructs like
sub- and superclass are common, in German also
leading hyphen-constructs occur, e.g. subclass and
-property. **END**
}}}
Here's an example text, using equal signs (headings) and number signs (numbered list).
{{{
**START** I think these are also realistic
examples using #1 equals signs, or #2 number
signs in normal text. Where #2 might be frequent,
#1 not as frequent. Also someone could use
equals signs in texts. Since we allow one
= equal sign to be a valid header. Therefore
this also causes trouble. So someone could use
an example in an exercise where he uses
-2 as some value and tells someone should multiply
it with a value so that the end result
=4. Someone also migt use stars as regular
footnote markers, etc.. **END**
}}}
It is true, that the first example in with hyphens is more frequent as the second example.
=== Mystic Software breaking the line hard.
It was stated above that that users might do hard line breaks. In the [[ListMarkupLinebreakArgument]] it was assumed that there is software that also inserts hard line breaks:
//Note that the line-breaking may come from line-
wrapping software, so it is not a question where
you would put the dash.//
If you turn on line wrap in an editor, the editor will visually wrap the line. You will find this behavior in almost all editors. Those editors however do **NOT** insert hard line breaks, that could be confused by parsers so that they make the errors above -- they only do it visually. So far no one has brought up examples of such an editor, or editor option, that inserts hard line breaks into text. Therefore this is considered as an irrelevant argument unless someone provides an example of an editor that is relevant in practice.
=== Implications
A user that breaks the line hard (hitting return) has to be aware that he should not use markup charachters as first charachters in the next line, that have meaning as a first character in a line (no matter if this proposal will be accepted or not).
* Equal Signs (Headings)
* Number Signs (Numbered Lists)
* Hyphens (Unnumbered Lists, if this proposal is accepted)
* ..
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[#1] For reference, [[RadomirDopieralski]] wrote the following on [[Talk.Require Space After Bullet Proposal]] on 2007-02-09: [[BulletListOnWikipediaResearch]]
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