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== Suggestion for a Compromise
Ok, I talked that through once more with Chuck and I would like to suggest this compromise: I think a solution to the issue would be to leave it to the implementers, if they would like to implement bloglike linebreaks or not. Creole should require the least common denominator - wiki style, or how I would call it - //legacy style linebreaks//, since every wiki seems to have copied it from C2/Usemod/Latex. The least common denominator would be to have a forced linebreak syntax {{{\\}}}. That's what all wikis have already. Since creole should be a common markup it is dangerous to introduce a rule which is completely different from what they (we) do right now.
When we created the blog-style proposal we had not enough data, like we have now with the [[List Of Line Break Markup]] and simply decided on what we knew was the least suprise to endusers - we decided from what we knew was usable based on our experience with end user installations. Creoles role should not be to improve markup beyond what is there, the rule of [[NotNew]] is a really important rule. Creole should bring wiki developers together, not divide them. Creole should not pretend to be better than any other markup out there, because it is not better - it is just a common language.
Nevertheless I think that to make markup easy to learn and teach it would be better to have bloglike linebreaks. I don't think that endusers will ever understand the concept of syntactic vinegar. I would like to add to the reccomendation a note that highlights this controversal discussion. The spec should encourage implementers to have a //linebreak option// that accepts //bloglike// and //legacy// styles, although we will not require it. We (the [[i3G Institute]]) will add such an option to the CreolePageFilter for JSPWiki. Therefore the admin/The wiki community should have the option to decide on which mode to run the wiki.
With this in place we will get more experience with communities that are using blogstyle wiki markup. This will make a decission easier in later versions. For now it is more important to get everyone on board.
What do the developers, that already have implemented the blogstyle linebreak, think about this option? (AlexSchroeder, AndreasGohr, MartinBudden, RadomirDopieralski)
[[AlainDesilets|Alain]], as you said once to me: ''WikiMarkup can be used by endusers, but this does not mean that it is usable''. I guess we have to leave it like this for now. For unities sake.
--ChristophSauer, 23-Jan-2007
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63 01-Mar-2007 09:06 49.696 kB ChristophSauer to previous | to last typo
62 08-Feb-2007 18:29 49.696 kB YvesPiguet to previous | to last No headings and rules in lists
61 08-Feb-2007 18:07 49.284 kB RadomirDopieralski to previous | to last how do we do it in other contexts?
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