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I recomend you to read Alains paper "Are Wikis Usable". There's something I would like to add to the [Good Practices] called [MakeTheMachineWorkHarder]. You might be concerned that your parsers become convulted. But the alternative to a usable wiki markup is to write a working WYSIWYG editor, and that's what I call convulted - and IMO wysiwig editors slowed down mankind for much to long.
I recomend you to read Alains paper "Are Wikis Usable". There's something I would like to add to the [Good Practices] called [MakeTheMachineWorkHarder]. You might be concerned that your parsers become convulted. But the alternative to a usable wiki markup is to write a working WYSIWYG editor, and that's what I call convulted - and IMO wysiwyg editors slowed down mankind for much to long.
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Now that we've chosen the wiki-style linebreak handling... probably we should go all the way along the path: we should ignore single linebreaks in list items and headings, and perhaps also those in table cells and quotes (whatever syntax we choose).
-- [[Michele Tomaiuolo]], 2007-02-08
I agree about lists and (potential) quotes, I'm not sure abut headings (but it doesn't really add much complexity, so why not), but tables use the new line differently -- for separating the rows. Any other markup for that would just be artifical.
-- RadomirDopieralski, 2007-02-08
I strongly agree with Michele wrt lists and headings. End-of-lists should be marked with an empty
line. See my [[http://nyctergatis.com/creole/sandbox.creole|implementation]] to experiment. And
I agree with Radomir for tables.
-- [[YvesPiguet]], 2007-02-08
Yes, multiline list and headings maybe useful. As for having a empty line to signify end of the list, does that mean you want tables, headers and horizontal rules allowed in a list item. Eg {{{ <ul><li><table> }}} or would they also end the list?
-- [[JaredWilliams]], 2007-02-08
In my opinion, lists should be as simple as possible. If you need tables etc. inside lists, then you should think about restructuring your document. It's better to use sub-sections and sub-titles in this case.
In fact, for readability at least, shouldn't tables also be followed by an empty line?
-- [[Michele Tomaiuolo]], 2007-02-08
How would you render a table with a line of text immediately following it then? Do we need the distinction?
How do we normally (in books, magazines, posters) recognize the end of a list in cases when there is no indentation?
Personally, I think that allowing tables, paragraphs, headings, pre blocks, etc. in lists opens a Pandora box but doesn't really grant the users much useful power (apart from one use case, where they use numbered lists instead of headings).
-- RadomirDopieralski, 2007-02-08
I'm not advocating headings, rules, and (but I'm less sure there) tables in lists. I mentionned empty lines
because they become necessary when a list is followed by a normal paragraph once you accept multiline
list items. I don't think we should require space (be it empty lines after arrays or space characters after
list stars and sharps) when there isn't any ambiguity.
-- [[YvesPiguet]], 2007-02-08
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