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| - [[YvesPiguet]], 2007-Jun-21 |
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| Sorry if my tone was overly dramatic, but this rule: |
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| //To include closing braces where they might be considered as nowiki or preformatted end tag, there is one additional rule that |
| works for both inline and block: three closing curly brackets preceded by a tilde are escaped (although otherwise tildes do not escape in nowiki)// |
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| does not allow for the sequence tilde+three closing braces at the beginning of a line. |
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| Making tests in the [[http://sandbox.jspwiki.org/|JSPWiki sandbox]], the tilde works like spaces in the current Creole: |
| one tilde is removed when followed by three closing braces (but it's removed anywhere in block or inline nowiki). So it's a completely different kind of escape character than what we have at other places. BTW, JSPWiki and Creole would be |
| incompatible anyway, in the way leading spaces are used. |
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| More tests in [[http://sandbox.jspwiki.org/|JSPWiki sandbox]] (I'll use ( and ) instead of braces here to make sure |
| the output is what I want), in inline nowiki: |
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| * the tilde escapes three braces, not one: {{{(((foo ~))) bar)))}}} -> {{{foo ))) bar}}}, and {{{(((foo ~) bar)))}}} -> {{{foo ~) bar}}} |
| * how to have one trailing brace? I don't know: {{{(((foo ))))}}} -> {{{foo }}}) (with last brace outside nowiki), i.e. no greediness as in the current Creole; but {{{(((foo ~)))) etc.}}} -> {{{foo )))) etc.}}} with unterminated nowiki |
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| So trying to solve the very uncommon case where we have three closing braces in the middle of nowiki, we break (if we |
| follow JSPWiki) the very common case where we have one trailing brace. |
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| -- [[YvesPiguet]], 2007-Jun-21 |
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| What JSPWiki does is that a tilde disables the next directive, not the next character. If the next characters do not form a directive, the tilde is left as-is. Therefore one trailing brace you get simply by adding a single brace (separated with a whitespace), e.g. {{{ (((foo) ))) }}}. Now, since the JSPWiki parser is not based on a proper grammar (it's more of an adhoc stream parser), I wouldn't exactly rely on it as a model example for Creole. So it's better to define a good, solid, escape strategy and spec instead of relying on how JSPWiki //happens// to be working ;-) |
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| BTW, the one trailing brace is not common. Never seen it anywhere, except in this discussion. Please provide proof of it being a very common case. However, in this wiki, I have seen several examples of triple braces in the middle of a nowiki block. |
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| Yes, JSPWiki and Creole are incompatible. This is fine. It is not our intent to support mixed markup anyway. |
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| -- [[JanneJalkanen]], 2007-Jun-21 |
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| Thanks for the insight, Janne. |
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| Since braces are very common in C, C++, Java, JavaScript, PHP and other languages, we should expect code fragments |
| such as {{{while (!done) { doWork(); } }}} or {{{class Foo { int i; } }}}. Spaces can indeed be used for disambiguation, but |
| (i) one of the reasons mentionned by proponents of the escape character in nowiki was to avoid this use of |
| the space, and (ii) this introduces a superfluous space in the character stream, such as before the dot in the |
| previous sentence. I think another case where the problem occurs is a trailing tilde, e.g. when explaining that in most |
| unix shells, the home directory is represented by {{{~ }}}. |
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| -- [[YvesPiguet]], 2007-Jun-21 |
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| Today I tried researching how other wikis escape the end of nowiki blocks and I discovered that none of them do! Do any wiki engines escape the closing tag of a nowiki block (besides JSPWiki) ? |
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| -- [[ChuckSmith]], 2007-Jun-26 |
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| As I wrote on [[Talk.AddNoWikiEscapeProposal]], in my opinion there should be no escape character but the raw fragments should be put in a separate page (not accessed directly) and instead transcluded |
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| -- [[DanieleC.]], 2007-Jul-05 |
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