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You sound like we would open the "burning hell" if we use hyphens. Conflicts with hyphens only occur if they are used as the first character in a line (after a hard line break). Don't let us get into [[bikeshedding]] again here, we already discussed that in [[HyphenListMarkupProposal]. Let's keep cooling down the issue. I just would like to make sure here with this post that my opinion is heard as much as yours ;-)
You sound like we would open the "burning hell" if we use hyphens. Conflicts with hyphens only occur if they are used as the first character in a line (after a hard line break). Don't let us get into [[bikeshedding]] again here, we already discussed that in [[HyphenListMarkupProposal]]. Let's keep cooling down the issue. I just would like to make sure here with this post that my opinion is heard as much as yours ;-)
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Trouble is, I hardly see any uses of a hyphen at the beginning of a line except for wiki signatures, horizontal lines and Polish dialogs. The question is, "Which is more annoying: hyphens or asterisks?"
-- [[Chuck Smith]], 2007-Mar-07
You can add French dialogs. Actually I wouldn't mind. But I don't mind keeping left-aligned
asterisks either, and bold's double-asterisks following a space for disambiguation,
because we'll also need such a rule for monospace ({{{##}}}). We're running out of ASCII
characters anyway, so here again, I'd prefer a simple rule ("double-stars and double-sharps
at the beginning of lines are list markers in the context of lists, start with a space for
other uses"; or alternatively "double-stars and double-sharps at the beginning of lines are
list markers if and only if they are followed by a space") rather than three exceptions, one for
sharps, one for rules and one for signatures.
-- [[YvesPiguet]], 2007-Mar-07
For completeness, Italian dialogs follow the same style: with hyphens. They're not common in every language. I think Joyce tried to introduce them in English, as well.
Both asterisks and hyphens are a natural markup for lists. Probably, if Creole has to choose only one markup, hyphens would be easier to read and to interpret. But what about the space? Shouldn't it be required, at least before numbers?
-- [[Michele Tomaiuolo]], 2007-03-07
Dashes are also commonly use at a beginning of a paragraph when it is quoted out of context, broken in mid-sentence or just starts with a dialog. Although the "list-like" dialogs may be an Eastern Europe thing, it is certainly practiced in American prose to mark a change of voice or object with a dash.
Various forms of dashes, hyphens and other horizontal lines are so loaded with meanings in our traditions, that it's also very likely to hit a conflict with some jargons and scientific notations.
Fortunately, dashes are traditionally distinguished from hyphens (or hyphen bullets ⁃) by repeating the "hyphen/minus" character, "--". This generates no conflicts if the "smart" handling of the list (list must begin with a first-level item) or a different technique of marking nesting then repeating the bullets are used.
-- [[Radomir Dopieralski]], 2007-Mar-07
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12 07-Mar-2007 16:17 5.342 kB RadomirDopieralski to previous conflicts with dashes
11 07-Mar-2007 15:56 4.467 kB MicheleTomaiuolo to previous | to last italian dialogs
10 07-Mar-2007 15:37 4.016 kB YvesPiguet to previous | to last Keep stars and sharps
9 07-Mar-2007 15:09 3.289 kB ChuckSmith to previous | to last more annoying: hyphens or asterisks?
8 06-Mar-2007 13:54 3.047 kB ChristophSauer to previous | to last typo
7 06-Mar-2007 13:49 3.046 kB ChristophSauer to previous | to last make sure here that my opinion is heard as much as yours ;-)
6 06-Mar-2007 13:25 2.585 kB RadomirDopieralski to previous | to last explanation of revert
5 04-Mar-2007 14:32 1.964 kB RadomirDopieralski to previous | to last for rare cases when * and - is not enough
4 04-Mar-2007 13:54 1.501 kB SteffenSchramm to previous | to last
3 04-Mar-2007 10:15 1.117 kB RadomirDopieralski to previous | to last use generic indent to nest lists
2 02-Mar-2007 13:13 0.331 kB RadomirDopieralski to previous | to last remove signature?
1 28-Feb-2007 19:43 0.098 kB YvesPiguet to last Multiline list items
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