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My personal preferences:
* Do not specify markup for inline quotes.
* Use one or more colons at the beginning of a paragraph to indicate that the paragraph is an indented block, number of colons equals nesting level.
My personal feeling is that Wiki markup has a little more of a presentation flavor to it than HTML, certainly the vision of HTML espoused by the W3C. I consider that a good thing, and do not agree with those who feel that markup indicating semantics is always superior to presentation markup.
HTML4 has em, cite, var, and address, all of which render as italics by default in Safari (as does <i>, of course). There are other semantic meanings of italics than what's in the HTML list, such as marking foreign phrases. I don't think it's a great idea to expect a markup language, especially one intended for Wikis, to cover all possible semantic meanings. Of course, treating the markup as having presentation meaning has no such difficulties. On a Wiki, I'd fully expect {{//}} to be used for all these applications, whether emphasis is intended or not. In practice, <em> is a synonym for <i>, and the Principle of Least Surprise would be violated if it weren't.
The same goes for indented blocks. There are many uses for such things other than block quotations, including, as Radomir points out, indicating threading structure. There would be no need to "abuse" blockquote for this purpose if there were an indented-block tag with semantics indicating thread structure, but again, experience shows that markup languages can't really cover all possible semantic bases.
Markdown's use of '>' on every line is clever, as it is fully consistent with email, and makes the indentation very clear when reading the raw text, but I think it lacks in the usability department, especially as many editing contexts don't make the distinction between hard and soft newline explicit, and confusion about this will almost inevitably lead to unexpected markup characters leaking into the text. My vote is for ':' to distinguish it from Markdown-style quoting, and also to follow the example of OddMuse.
Another related question is whether we should support curly quotes. If so, I don't think following the example of the HTML <q> tag is the best way to do it. One possibility is to follow LaTeX and interpret two backticks as an open curly double quote, and two apostrophes as a close double curly quote. Note that single quotes should also be treated the same way. To get the ASCII versions, use preformatted or (if separately available) nowiki markup.
But, much as it pains me (I come from a typography background), I'm not going to recommend this for core Creole. My guess is that it's likely to cause problems for unsophisticated users, and that's an ungoal that is probably more important than the gain in typographic sophistication. The preferred method for getting curly quotes in [Barghest] will thus be Unicode, and client-side markup editors are encouraged to support that as a pseudo input method the same way most word processors today do.
The discussion on the [SmartyPants|http://daringfireball.net/projects/smartypants/] webpage is probably of interest here. Note that they implement backslash substitution to force "non-smart" punctuation. Their double-backslash syntax (for escaping a single backslash) would be a collision for the proposed linebreak syntax, and in general backslash-escapes strike me as unWikiLike.
-- [Raph Levien], 31 Dec 2006
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